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                       Inserito il - 10 gennaio 2016 :  21:20:41
     
       
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                       Moin fern,
  well it took some time to ID the speciment. But now I think we have it 100%.
  So it is a Phalangiidae and (subfam.) Sclerosomatinae (see Martens 1978:376-377). The speciment does not have the chracteristic dopple-horn in front of the eyes (Homanolotus), so it belongs to the genus Astrobunus. After the key in Martens (1978:381)the speciment has femura with two dorsal rows of spines, so it can only be  a.m.o.: A. helleri or A. kochi. The morphological differenz (see also Martens 1978: Abb. 736-746) between A. helleri and A. kochi is, that A. kochi should have a third row of thin spines between the already mentioned two rows. Your speciment does not show the third row (or I can not see it). Moreover A. helleri can normaly been found mostly north of the river Po (NE, e.g. in Trentino, see Martens 1978: map/App. 756.), A. kochi more near to the med.terr.see and on the apennin half island. 
  OK, something against that? 
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                       Inserito il - 10 gennaio 2016 :  22:07:27
     
       
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                       A real detective work! I add my last picture with a different view of the spines, in case it helps. 
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  For the rest, I observe that Ala is in Trentino: Lat. 45.76°, Long. 11.00°.  
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                       Inserito il - 11 gennaio 2016 :  06:40:54
     
       
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                       In FNM Gallery, the genus Astrobunus belongs to the Sclerosomatidae family.
 
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                       Inserito il - 12 gennaio 2016 :  17:05:36
     
       
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                       Moin vladim, as I wrote before, the connection of the species to the family or subfamily is only a matter of the autor. If the family of Astrobunus in FNM is Sclerosomatidae, then I correct the name. OK Lars Friman | 
                     
                    
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                       Inserito il - 12 gennaio 2016 :  17:16:08
     
       
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                       CORRECTION
  the species A. helleri belongs after FNM to the family of Sclerosomatidae and there to the subfamilie Sclerosomatinae :-) 
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